It started with this tweet from Father Edward Beck:
United Methodist Church Announces Plan to Split Over Same-Sex Marriage
“Traditionalist Methodist” denomination would continue to ban same-sex marriage and gay and lesbian clergy. I’M BEING ASKED, COULD THIS EVER HAPPEN IN CATHOLIC CHURCH TOO?
Ceil responded: What’s more likely is what’s actually happened: the church’s position on excluding people from salvation and full participation in the sacraments based on who they are will cause more people (like me) to leave the church.
Father Torey: Standing here in solidarity
Ceil: I do miss the Catholic church, but I can’t be on the side of those who would warp Christ’s message of compassion and love to fit exclusionary teachings. I had hoped the church would side with science, as it has done in the past. But so far, no luck.
Me: But leftist woke teachings are exclusionary so that’s ok with you?
Ceil: Most “leftist woke teachings” I know of are meant to be inclusive, and usually intend to lift up those who are marginalized.
Me: Then you haven’t been paying attention to its dark side.
Ceil: Anything can be twisted in meaning; everything has a dark side. Think of the best org, group, govt, charity, company, etc, I guarantee there’s a faction of that group that’s using it with bad intent. I look at what the org does in the main, and how it treats people in general.
Me: This isn’t an org, it’s an ideology. And it has a purity police and Inquisition. I was found to not be pure enough in the Teaching so I was excommunicated.
Ceil: Perhaps they were upset because you told them their experience was invalid, and that they were indoctrinated? I find that how you approach people is as important as what you approach them with. And you can’t be excommunicated from an ideology, but I’m sorry you feel excluded.
Me: You are of the Wokestapo. You do not tolerate independent thought. “That’s not my experience” is a phrase that I hear from people who have been indoctrinated. You need to listen to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiAqUXGAp8s
Ceil: Jeez, no.
Ceil: I’m sorry. I’ll need an apology for your insults before I respond to you again. Good day.
Right there. Try to get her to open her mind and realize how dangerous the ideology is, and she refuses. “Jeez, no.” In other words, “Let me live in my own delusion and insult you from it.” And then she shuts down further discussion. What a bitch. What a complete twat.
I’ve seen this tactic more than once from the woke – act all sweet and open minded and charming, but if you actually dare challenge them instead of kissing their asses, they shut down the discussion completely.
I told her that her side has been, for years, running around and using nothing BUT insults and slurs and whatnot as their very weapons of social terrorism – calling people “bigot” and “racist” and all that. If anything, the woke really owe the rest of the world an apology for their uncivilized behavior of the last 15-20 years.
But of course, no self-reflection, no questions, no “why would you say that” and of course when it came to MY “experience” of being canceled from a church group, it’s invalid. Because it’s not her “experience.”
She totally proved my fucking point.
God, I hate these woke idiots.
I’d like to point out a comment from the video linked above; it reads:
I think what drives intersectionality is that the left hit on a truth that people from different backgrounds often perceive different sets of data and draw different interpretations; and that is why diversity is valuable because sometimes they perceive data that is overlooked and draw interpretations that turn out to be correct.
The mistake the left made was to conflate perspective, and particularly the left wing interpretations drawn from that perspective, with authority.
Because although multiple perspectives are useful, people from any background can read or otherwise communicate with those from other backgrounds to learn about their perceived data sets and interpretations. So there is no reason to believe that just because someone doesn’t share another’s background, they can’t perceive the same facts of the world in any way meaningful enough to allow them to comment on issues relating to those from other backgrounds.
And the reasonable left has trouble pushing back against intersectionality not only because of fear of being labeled racist but also because identity politics have been so useful as a political weapon against Republicans, and we only now see these people coming out after the weapon was used against them.